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I’m so tired of the Alan Moore got screwed over conversation I’m pretty sure that makes me a jerk but I’m kinda over it , Brubaker had a awesome tweet about this as well but I don’t know how to copy or paste ….congrats on ur new book Haley face
“Hey, Alan Moore! It’s raining!”
I straddle the fence on this issue. Yeah, DC kinda got him, but he signed a work for hire contract. He doesn’t own anything. I’m not saying I agree with what DC did, but they haven’t broken any laws.
Pablo Reply:April 21st, 2012 at 5:32 pm
right. but that doesnt make it right.
Siegel and Shuster got screwed. Alan Moore was working in an industry that had a fifty year history of doing whatever it could to retain the rights to IP then acted indignant when it happened to him. The industry was quite literally built on what happened to him, but he thought he was special? Whatever. He was a grown man who made a bad decision. He’s not a victim, he’s oblivious.
Pablo Reply:April 21st, 2012 at 5:38 pm
may i remind you that you only know about all of this because of the internet?
there is not a ¨comics journal¨
and the fact that it happened so many times does not make it suck any less. in fact it sucks more
WizarDru Reply:April 23rd, 2012 at 6:36 am
You can’t remind me of something that isn’t true. Some of us are old enough to have bought the Watchmen when it was new on the stands. By the 1970s, comic fandom had fanzines, conventions and newsletters. By the time Moore got screwed, we had those, actual fan and professional print magazines and BBSes over which to communicate.
If your contention is that Moore could not possibly have known that the industry did it’s creators dirt, that’s kind of ridiculous. You only need look at the covers of Kirby’s fourth world books announcing ‘Kirby’s Back!’ to fans who were well aware of what had happened. And we weren’t comics professionals who’d had several years under our belts like Moore was by the time he did Watchmen.
I agree Alan Moore got done dirty by DC/Warner…BUT they have attempted to square things with him several times, especially after there has been executive and editorial turn over at both organizations. Moore has had no interest in settling the matter, primarily over principle. Which is fine, but let’s be clear what the deal is: Moore could have gotten large settlements and re-negotiated his rights and contracts as many of his co-creators have done…he chose not to. That’s not quite the same thing as Kirby getting vindictively screwed by Marvel (partly from malice, partly from negligence) or Siegel and Shuster getting a raw deal multiple times.
No one went back to Bill Finger the way they have to Moore. Comics fans are awfully selective about their outrage, it seems to me.
pablo Reply:April 23rd, 2012 at 7:33 am
you are right, but i dont thing it was as global as with the internet (moore live d in the US?)
and thats besides the point, the fact that he wasn´t in the underground world of comic books make it more right for him to be screw?
he has no reason to want to be-friend again with Dc, why would he?
and im with you on the way Kirby or Siegel or Bill Fingers was screwed by the big 2, again. the fact that those people got it worse than moore make it right for the fact that moore was fucked? no, it only make his case more relevant because the companys had a big history on fucking people, and we should allow this.
pablo Reply:April 23rd, 2012 at 7:34 am
should not (sorry)
Amlethus Reply:April 24th, 2012 at 12:26 am
Ahh, the “She was wearing slutty clothes, she deserved it!” argument
Creator’s Rights are the legal equivalent to Calvinball.
This ongoing conversation just shows how weird the superhero comic industry is. It’s this strange crossroads of the art world, the publishing business, storytelling tradition, and modern mythology.
Superman teaches us that people are inherently good, but need sometimes need a reminder; yet the story of Superman’s creation teaches us that people are inherently selfish, and that distrust and shrewdness are the keys to survival. Which story do we listen to?
You guys have been on a roll lately. The words “that about sums it up” have crossed my mind several times in the past month or so.
Except for “F@#%* Spider-Man.” I’m not sure what was going on there. I may have liked it, but I’m not willing to commit to that ‘like.’ In a sense, it’s the same way I feel about Even Stevens.
I care less about the “Ethical Rot” than the simple fact that they have given up on new ideas. The characters in Watchmen were archetypes based on characters they already own. Creating a new Watchmen story is like creating a comic named “The Continuing Adventures of Joe Sixpack”. It’s clear the decision wasn’t made with any desire to tell stories in mind. You can also tell this by the way the books are being written. Having all these creators means that no one creator went to DC and said “I’ve got this great idea for a sequel to Watchmen!” It just didn’t happen.
I DON’T CARE WHO GETS HURT I WANT MY COMICS MOW MOW MOW.
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