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March 28th, 2012

Friendly Neighborhood

Skittles sound good.

-cof

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  1. Gavin Guidry

    Aw, shit. There you guys go again. Rare to see this much heart in a mostly comedic webcomic. Bravo, fellas.

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  2. Spakwee

    Okay. So I just saw Ming Doyle’s tweet of this- awesome comic, first time reading it, so I started reading more, and eventually realized you guys live in Memphis?? I LIVE IN MEMPHIS. Mind. Blown.

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  3. Omar Holmon

    as a black nerd/man in america this is means a lot and is pretty profound. respect.

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    Naomi Reply:

    i felt that too. this strip as well as your comment reminded me of the outrage a bunch of people showed on twitter when Donald Glover was contemplating auditioning for Spiderman (something he wouldn’t have even considered if a few fans suggested it). It was ridiculous because Glover really could have made a good spider man, and he said the comment that upset him the most was that it was “unrealistic” that spiderman would be black. Glovers’s response was “It’s fucking 2011, and you don’t think there is a black kid who lives with his aunt in Queens who likes science…who takes photography?” (I don’t mean to get everyone worked up over this any more than they already are b/c of the zimmerman reference, but it’s relevant)
    http://drapersden.com/2012/04/19/childish-gambino-expanding-life-scripts-for-black-americans/

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  4. Hannah

    This is awesome. And it’s really appreciated.

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  5. Andrew Tan

    That doesn’t look like Donald Glover.

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    Andrew Tan Reply:

    Wait, I think I’m wrong.

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  6. algeya

    I dont get it, but Im from another country so probably is out of my cultural enviroment

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    Dudebro McDawgchamp Reply:

    While going to get some skittles, a kid name Trayvon Martin was shot dead by a member of a local neighborhood watch for “looking suspicious”. Of course, it’s accepted that by “looking suspicious” he meant “was black”.

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    Nataniel Reply:

    Thanks, I was especting an explanation too, since I´m from Argentina.

    It is an amazing little comic indeed.

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  7. Mywhoa

    Come the fuck on. This is taking it pretty far.

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    Michael Reply:

    Really? I think it’s taking it just far enough.

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    Pj Perez Reply:

    No, Zimmerman shooting first and asking questions later was “taking it pretty far.”

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    Bearfoot Reply:

    Shut the fuck up.

    If we don’t take it this far it will continue to happen.

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    Albi Reply:

    Co-sign.

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  8. Joe Shmoe

    Hate to break up the party here, but Trayvon Martin was no hero. To compare him to an icon is completely absurd. If absurdity is what you are going for, then this comic is commendable.

    In the meantime, I’ll just leave this here:
    https://donate.naacp.org/page/contribute/basicdonate

    You might also try googling “Trayvon Martin media bias”.

    The comic makes an excellent point if you want to continue a campaign against hoodies.

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    WizarDru Reply:

    Setting aside the fact that not being an innocent nubile child isn’t an excuse for getting shot by someone who apparently disregarded a 911 request to avoid conflict because he had a history with the person he shot, you’re using a posting to from the website of anti-semitic guy who claims the shape-shifting reptile humanoids secretly rule the world?

    He’s not a terribly compelling source is what I am saying.

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    Joe Shmoe Reply:

    Regardless of the source, the point is that we are seeing the story through a very narrow lense. Obviously there is more to it.

    https://donate.naacp.org/page/contribute/basicdonate

    I never said that what happened to Trayvon wasn’t a tragedy – it was. Also, I wasn’t aware they had a history. It just supports the point that I’m making. I haven’t seen much on the discussion about investigating Zimmerman.

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    Joe Shmoe Reply:

    The owner of this site edited my comments and placed different links. Way to make your point guys.

    For everyone calling me racist – know that I have a mixed race child who I love very much. If you can’t figure it out, that means I belong to an interracial family.

    If any of you took a second to think before you read and responded to my comments you would realize that I didn’t say anything racist, and I wasn’t trying to push an agenda here.

    All I was pointing out is that unless you are a police officer handling the situation, or are directly involved in the case at hand – chances are that you have no idea what you are talking about – so stop.

    Ban me from commenting here, or whatever you have to do to help you sleep at night. It’s much easier seeing the world through a narrow perspective than it is to recognize its complexity.

    AnotherTerribleIdea Reply:

    Wait… did you just call him a “nubile” child?

    Heh… I know there is a WHOLE lot of other stuff going on in these posts, but dude, “nubile” is not the best choice of words to describe a child unless you are Pedobear.

    Even if it was a typo of something, the only thing I can think of remotely close is Nubian. And why would you call him Nubian? Does anyone say “Nubian” in their daily speech?

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    Royal Constantine Reply:

    You’re perfectly right, Joe. Having gold teeth is a valid excuse to kill someone.

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    Joe Shmoe Reply:

    Totally, because that’s exactly what I said. Read it again and please pay attention this time.

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    Michael Reply:

    I’ve read a lot about this over the last few days, and I’ve never really had a chance to write this out, so let me put this down in words now.

    He. Was. 17.

    Even if he’d run a blog called “Kill The White Man”, which was powered on the blood of the sacrifices of innocent kittens that he killed with guns he stole from little old ladies.

    He. Was. 17.

    A 17 year old was shot by a man nearly twice his age, to whom he posed no immediate threat. The fact that anyone can sit there and make that OK in their head because of the stupid shit a 17 year old does is disgusting.

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    V Reply:

    hi. these images have been proven to be falsified for the purpose of vilifying a good kid, to make it so that his death can be justified. which it still should never be, because he’s a good kid.

    What did his teachers say? “an A-B student who majored in cheerfulness”? yeah.

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    gangler Reply:

    Yes. Linking to an article calling him a menace to society totally breaks the comparison.

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    RaeBeta Reply:

    Well. Played. Gangler.

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    Daniel McBatman Reply:

    Fuck you, Joe. Just fuck you.

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    degauss12 Reply:

    “Hate to break up the party here, but Trayvon Martin was no hero. To compare him to an icon is completely absurd.”

    Your racism is atrocious but your nerd-failure is just stunning.

    like, you know who’s no hero?

    IS PETER PARKER

    OR MILES MORALEZ

    OR CLARK FUCKING KENT YOU LITERALLY FAIL AT UNDERSTANDING THE MOST BASIC CONCEPT OF HOW SUPERHEROES WORK

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    FriendlyNeighborhoodIllustrator Reply:

    I second Daniel McBatman’s giant FUCK YOU to Joe Shmoe. Well played, Mr. McBatman. Well played.

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    John42 Reply:

    I think the point isn’t that Martin wasn’t as heroic as a fictional superhero (you’re kind of asking too much there) but that someone murdered a teenager who was doing nothing suspicious (buying candy, visiting parents) but happened to be black.

    The comic compares this situation to another black person who would be judged similarly by Zimmerman in the same conditions. Making it someone you may know serves to give the murder it’s deserved emotional impact.

    Also hoodies are as common as jeans or trainers, seriously. My university sells them with their name on them.

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    Abderian_Aeolist Reply:

    Agreed. I believe that the purpose of the comic isn’t necessarily to turn Trayvor into a heroic icon, but rather hammering home the point that African American males in the United States are often racially profiled. In this case, they’re saying that in his suit, covered up, Spiderman (a hero/do gooder) would be acceptable to the public, but out of it and in normal street clothing, he would be racially profiled and could be shot for the way he looks rather than taking into account what he may be as a person underneath it. Honestly, I think this would be a pretty amazing concept for a new, modern superhero in examining some of today’s issues. What is it like only be able to be an iconic do-gooder in a suit, but when on the streets be considered a threat and/or a criminal?

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    Abderian_Aeolist Reply:

    Whoops, typoed a bit there and there’s no edit. Trayvon* and what is it like to only be able to*

    MJW Reply:

    you seriously need to stfu with that noise

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    TMT Reply:

    Trayvon was a person. He wasn’t perfect but using his imperfections to call him a thug or a criminal is where the true bias lies. And who says Peter Parker or any other Spiderman was perfect?

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  9. Phill

    icke-exposed.co.uk? I get all my news there! I see no evidence at all of white people scared of a black youth on that page. Imagine how terrified they’d be if he hadn’t been shot.

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  10. Ryan Fraer

    Joe, seriously. What point is there trying to demonize a 17 year old kid who was murdered? Just to prove you’re a bigger asshole than anyone else here? Well congrats, you get the no-prize.

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    Joe Shmoe Reply:

    Yes, because I was trying to demonize him.

    I didn’t write the article and I didn’t take any of those pictures. Here’s another source that goes further into it.
    https://donate.naacp.org/page/contribute/basicdonate

    What I was pointing out, is that Trayvon isn’t some hero. There is plenty that we are not seeing.

    There is no excuse for Zimmerman’s actions, but to pretend Trayvon was some clean-cut do-gooder hero is completely absurd.

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    Daniel McBatman Reply:

    Joe, you’re missing the point SO HARD.

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    Joe Shmoe Reply:

    What is the point Dan?

    The kid wasn’t a hero and the comparison is ridiculous.

    Though he should not have been shot. The actions of Zimmerman are completely unacceptable and he should be in jail.

    What I’m pointing out is that there is some serious bias going on in the news coverage of the story. That is all.

    But you just want to curse and tell me I’m wrong without making any point at all. Think for a second before you post – oh, but then you wouldn’t have a tumblr, would you?

    Jesse Reply:

    Since you asked, the point is that being black and wearing a hoodie isn’t reason enough to consider someone suspicious — certainly not suspicious enough to be killed. The comic isn’t saying, “Trayvon was a morally virtuous hero like Spider-Man.” It’s saying, “Be careful who you’re suspicious of — all types can wear a hoodie.”

    chrishaley Reply:

    Jesse – Exactly.

    Jacobkosh Reply:

    “What I was pointing out, is that Trayvon isn’t some hero.”

    What on Earth makes you think that’s relevant? What on Earth makes you think anyone cares? Do you think you’re, like, some sort of internet folk hero, telling us all the hard truth about what a murder victim was really like? Isn’t that kind of embarrassing? Don’t you feel kind of ridiculous?

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  12. M'tt

    Innocent kid, drug-dealing punk, who the F cares? Zimmerman knew nothing about Trayvon when he pulled the trigger. All he knew was that a black guy in a hoodie was walking around in his neighborhood and he let fear get the best of him.

    That was the point of Obama’s speech and I feel like that is the point of this very well executed comic.

    Good show LBFA

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  13. dhoti

    What you *should* be truly outraged about is that, in our supposedly post-racial America, under our post-racial President, racial tensions are higher than they’ve been in a generation. But that would require thinking of black folks as, y’know, real *people*, and not just walking white privilege credits…

    I assume your next comic will be in support of the 13-year-old white kid in Kansas City who was set on fire by two black teenagers? “This is what you deserve, you get what you deserve, white boy.” Somehow I don’t see you drumming up the same level of outrage over that.

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    Cork Reply:

    Are those kids being charged, or did the cops release them without even a slap on the wrist?

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    Daniel McBatman Reply:

    Do you know why that story isn’t getting more attention? Because the police in Kansas City handled it properly. Both the attackers have been arrested and the crime is being investigated and handled as a hate crime. Zimmerman is still out there, with the gun he used to kill an unarmed teenager. THAT’S the reason for all of the attention. He’s literally getting away with murder.

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    dhoti Reply:

    No, actually, he hasn’t “gotten away” with anything — he’s still being investigated, as he should be. He could — and very well might — still be charged with anything, up to and including murder. Do you not understand the distinction?

    Sorry, but even scumbags have rights, and are protected under the law. If you can’t handle that, then either you’re a bigot, hating a guy just because he’s Hispanic, or you’re a hatemonger, spewing anger after a good 30 seconds or so of Internet research. Which is it?

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    Daniel McBatman Reply:

    There isn’t enough time in the day to tell you how truly idiotic you sound in every single one of your posts. I’m drowning in your stupidity, lack of reading comprehension and whining.

    dhoti Reply:

    I can’t decide if you’re just too stupid to form your own opinion, or too cowardly to do anything other than go along with the mob. Either way, a stream of lame insults is a sure sign you’re at the end of your shallow comprehension.

    Wait, that might be too many big words for you, so let me put it in terms you can understand: Fuck you, you lazy, mouth-breathing, hate-mongering piece of shit, and try not to get anyone else killed just because mommy didn’t breast feed you enough.

    Daniel McBatman Reply:

    ::Facedesk::

    John42 Reply:

    Police are searching for the two teenagers and are addressing it as a hate crime:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/teenagers-set-boy-on-fire_n_1320993.html

    In Zimmerman’s case, however, police released him, didn’t tell Martin’s parents about Zimmerman’s history of Police battery and changed their report to victimize Zimmerman, who under normal circumstances would be arrested and tried, not just ‘investigated’.

    Sorry, but citing one case of black-on-white racism doesn’t mean that there are equal amounts of each kind. As you can see, white-on-black racism has been institutionalized into the government and police forces, making it much more dangerous – to the point that someone can shoot a minority and get away with it.

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  14. Matt Hart

    Looks like Joe is parroting hit hero Rushbo. The media has already stated those photos of Martin are bogus… it’s just some racist scumbag (like Joe) who is trying to justify their hatred of Black people.
    Probably the same morons who still question Obama’s citizenship even though it’s been proven many times.

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  15. Markus Seaberry

    I liked the strip. I understood what you guys were trying to do. Kudos.

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  16. Jordan

    I liked the comic. If Martin was really shot because he looked suspicious, that really is a tragedy, and Zimmerman should go to jail for quite some time. But we really don’t know what happened yet- no one does. We just have conjecture and differing stories. According to Zimmerman, he was being attacked by Martin, and according to the police, Zimmerman has the self defense wounds to prove that, supposedly- although they aren’t saying much. If Martin really did attack first (thats a big if, but its possible) then self defense might have necessitated shooting, but even then I would think Zimmerman should have found a better way out of the situation, if there was one possible. All I am saying is we have no idea what really happened that night and assuming we do really doesn’t help truth being told.

    I still really like the comic though- no one should be judged based on appearance. And I like Spiderman.

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    Daniel McBatman Reply:

    We do know what happened. We KNOW that the police told Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon. How is it self defense when Zimmerman was hunting Trayvon like a fucking animal?

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    shutup Reply:

    Fuck off, asshole.

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  17. Rob

    Long time first time….

    Thank you. This is amazing.

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  18. Laura

    Poignant and understated. Well done.

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  19. A guy

    While that incident is sad, though it’s worth nothing in that case the boy’s still alive, the difference is there the police are actually looking to arrest someone. The real controversy isn’t “George Zimmerman is an insane racist”, it’s “George Zimmerman is an insane racist, and the police let him go”. That’s the difference.

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    dhoti Reply:

    Or, to summarize, it’s only a controversy if (a) it’s white-on-black violence (or you can pretend the guy’s white, because he doesn’t have a “funny sounding” name), and (b) a self-serving race hustler tells you to get upset.

    The only positive thing I can say about your “response” is that at least you’ve only joined the online slactivist lynch mob, instead of the frightening real one.

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    C Reply:

    Your inability to tell the difference is pretty telling.

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    C Reply:

    Your inability to tell the difference is pretty telling, dhoti.

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    RaeBeta Reply:

    You just go right on believing that, cupcake.

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  20. A guy

    The above was in reply to dhoti.

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  21. Daniel McBatman

    Brilliant as always, gentlemen. Absolutely heart breaking.

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  22. BornIn1142

    Excellent strip. Elegant in its simplicity.

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  23. Curt

    thanks for all the comments, guys, even the negative ones.

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  24. adriana

    oh my god. are you trying to make me cry.

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  25. Larry Jones

    This dude killed a young black man for absolutely no reason at all. Everything on those sites are not the full story of why Trayvon was in trouble at school. And after seeing video of Zimmerman entering the police station with no blood on him from his broken nose and no big bloody head wound I can’t believe his account at all.

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    TC Reply:

    he could have been cleaned up at the scene. so that’s not really telling and with how poor the video resolution is, you can’t tell if he had any head wounds or not

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    crazyredemu Reply:

    You mean the video that was taken several days later…I guess he must of showered or something LE GASP!

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  26. Hector Acosta

    I think this would be more powerful without any text.

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  27. Matt I

    Ok, what the hell are you guys doing? Do you think letting people smear this shit over your website encourages real discourse? Or… I just don’t get it. Get this shit off your site. Why are you letting it stay on? I would feel bad knowing this dirt was on my site.

    Sorry to get annoyed with you guys, but Joe and dhoti are beyond saving, and I don’t think it helps anything to keep shitty comments up. I love your comic (I’ve posted in the forums a few times!).

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    Curt Reply:

    i fixed his links.

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    Din Reply:

    Yes you did. You win a thousand internets Curt.

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    FriendlyNeighborhoodIllustrator Reply:

    Well played, Curt. Well played.

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    Dayv Reply:

    Kudos, sir.

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    RaeBeta Reply:

    I dearly wish I could reach across the internet to high-five you for that.

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  28. Euge

    I love skittles. Wait, did I miss something?

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  29. Curt

    joe, dhoti, people might be more inclined to discuss stuff if you tried to see things from their point of view and were more calm in your postings.

    i’m not in the habit of deleting comments, but if i think you’re being irrational i will edit them as i see fit.

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    dhoti Reply:

    Sorry, but no matter your “point of view”, racial hatred and lynch mobs are wrong. Even scumbags deserve due process and the presumption of innocence, and this thing is far from over. It’s sad that pointing that out is somehow “irrational”, but there you go.

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    Dayv Reply:

    If this is a lynch mob to you, I’d hate to see what you’d think of an actual lynching, with the burning tar and the severed penis shoved in the victim’s mouth and everything. Why don’t you go all the way and accuse people of “raping” the truth or something?

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  30. Curt

    seriously, when i read ya’lls posts i imagine them being screamed like charlton heston at the end of soylent green.

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  31. Curt

    also, you guys remind me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQbkoRmxRoQ

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    Mason Reply:

    Freakin love this clip

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    Daniel McBatman Reply:

    That’s fantastic right there.

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  32. SexyBlackPat

    well done memphis boys, well done :)

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  33. Marshall Hopkins

    I’ve been coming to your site thanks to ComicsAlliance, and showing it to all my friends. This strip made me donate money tonight.

    No matter what the real story is, no matter what we think we know or don’t know, we know this -

    An unarmed 17 year old boy who was guilty of no crime at that time was shot and killed by a 28 year old man, who was asked by 911 dispatchers to stop following. And that 28 year old man, at this moment, faces no legal consequence for his actions. From what we can tell, he followed this 17 year old because he was African-American, in a neighborhood where robberies had occurred.

    What’s worse, people? To be outraged because justice isn’t done – or, to be a little hurt and ashamed that so many of us still have so much prejudice that we were afraid to bring up, and didn’t know was there? I think this loss of life should make us all take a look at what we believe of the person we see walking down the street.

    And this comic said those too many words perfectly, in 3 panels and 4 sentences.

    You guys are amazing.

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  34. dangfx

    People as a member of the #MillionHoodieLA and friend of Zsanae Davis, leader of the LA movement. I would like to echo Trayon Parents in saying that it’s not a black and white thing to them, it’s a right and wrong thing…Follow me on FB to get all the details you guys need…Time to stop talking about it people, and be about it…You can’t learn everything you need to know, through tv and the internet…go out there be alive, people…P.S I’m Asian-American….

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  35. McRyan

    Their is alot of things involved in the case and the boy was proven to do drugs and indeed was suspicious as he was there because he was expelled from school. Did he deserve to die? No, but he isn’t an innocent teen. He attacked Zimmeren in some fashion, not as brutal as first thought but it happened. This is indeed an race issue as its perfectly an reverse racism example. These blacks dont even go by evidence they are just banding together to try and get the law bent their way. The family should be ashamed cause they are intentionally using their sons name for financial game, its discusting how they want to make dvds of him. They are bad parents letting him go about the town willy-nilly without punishing him for doing drugs.

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    SamG Reply:

    “These blacks”
    Nice.
    Stay classy, mate.

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    o0o Reply:

    even if zimmerman was attacked (which is far from certain), it’s ok to shoot his unarmed attacker to death? that’s psychotic.

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    SBJeddy Reply:

    “The boy was proven to do drugs” – And that’s relevant to him being shot to death how? He wasn’t on drugs at that moment. He wasn’t dealing drugs. He wasn’t trying to force drugs on Zimmerman. That’s like saying “He stole a bike one time, so you have to understand why he got shot.” It has NOTHING to do with him being shot!

    “He isn’t an innocent teen” – Er, he’s not a ‘guilty’ teen either. Not a gangbanger, not a rapist, not a violent offender. You know who was a violent offender? The guy who shot him to death. And I mean before he shot him to death, as well as during, obviously.

    “He attacked Zimmerman in some fashion” – According to the guy who shot him to death and no other strong testimony sure. And that guy has NO REASON to lie. :/

    “They are bad parents letting him go about the town willy-nilly” – Apparently he was like 5-10 minutes away from his dad’s house. That’s willy-nilly in your ignorant neck of the woods? And anyway, I forgot that kids aren’t allowed to WALK AROUND without it being a crime punishable by murder.

    “without punishing him for doing drugs” – Er, that’s both 1) Wildly none of your business and 2) something you don’t even know if it’s true. Why don’t you just shut the heck up and never speak again.

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    FriendlyNeighborhoodIllustrator Reply:

    McRyan, you are ill-informed and I want to meet you on the playground. Have you read yet that Zimmerman probably wasn’t even attacked because police station video footage shows NO WOUNDS?

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    Acerdibs Reply:

    dhoti, why are you doing this?

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    Daniel McBatman Reply:

    Because angering people on the internet is the only justification he can find for his existence. That, or he’s a fifteen year old white asshole.

    april Reply:

    TROLLS BE TROLLIN.

    o.O Reply:

    He was on a 10 day suspension for pot. His mother sent him to live with his father during this time. He was fallowed by Zimmerman. If he hit him, and we don’t know if he did, then, according to the state of Florida, it was self-defense. He was not wandering around town “willy-nilly” he went down to the store and was going back home. Oh and your racism is showing.

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  36. MartiniManJoe

    At this point in the conversation I don’t think one more view will change or help the dialogue, but as always keep up the work guys, this is a great strip!

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  37. David Cartoon

    This is a very striking comic – thank you for the thought and work that went into it.

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  38. Jidasfire

    I guess what I don’t get about the people who argue that this kid wasn’t saint is just what they get out of making such claims. I mean, maybe he wasn’t a perfect human being. Maybe he broke a rule or two here and there. Does he thusly deserve to be murdered with no recourse? I mean, how many people who make these claims have never broken a rule, or disobeyed their parents? Do they deserve to be killed and have the police wash their hands of it?

    And if that’s not the point they’re making, what is? Because clearly there’s some point being made, and it exists as a counter to the idea that we as a society should be worried at just how much ugliness is still out there and tolerated when a kid can be legally killed just for being a certain race. So, okay, I’m open-minded. Counter that. Please.

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    Marshall Hopkins Reply:

    I think deep down, the people who defend the Martin shooting are defensive because they would find themselves in a similar action to Zimmerman.

    I’m not saying everyone who thinks the Martin shooting is justified is racist. That wouldn’t be fair. What I’m saying is – America has WAY more people who are afraid of a Black face and the image of a thug than we like to advertise. And, we also have WAY more people who either never have or stopped questioning their beliefs about another race.

    Someone above wrote ‘These Blacks’, and finished his entire post without realizing there was a problem. We’ve spent the past 15 years thinking that America’s racial problems were largely solved – and a lot of people don’t want to believe that’s not the case.

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    dhoti Reply:

    You say you’re “open-minded”, yet you’ve already decided:
    - The police have “washed their hands”: Untrue. Zimmerman’s still being investigated; just because he wasn’t arrested immediately doesn’t mean he’s off the hook. You understand the difference, yes?
    - Martin was “illegally killed”: Unless you know something that hasn’t come out yet, that’s for the legal system to decide, and it hasn’t yet.
    - A Hispanic man killed a black teenager solely because of the color of his skin: Again, new evidence is coming in every day. How, exactly, do you know this so confidently?

    What I think they’re trying to get at, in a clumsy way, is that (a) the investigation is far from over, and (b) the dumbed-down media narrative — “white man murders black child in cold blood” — is wrong, incomplete, and premature. And that people like you — supposedly “open-minded” people who, after seeing a tweet, have jumped to the irrevocable conclusion that whites are virulent racists — are bigots at best, and hate-mongers at worst.

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    Jidasfire Reply:

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