Occupied
Frank Miller’s commentary on the Occupy Wall Street movement isn’t even worth arguing with. It’s so ill-informed and just fucking mean that you get the sense that Miller is somehow personally threatened by this. Like most of the people who diss Occupy are just like “lol pot smokers get a job” but Miller seems genuinely incensed at these people.
Why would this piss him off so much? He certainly isn’t the accepted establishment that the 99% are trying to fight. Does he seriously think al-Qaeda represents such a threat that anybody not actively fighting them is wasting their time?
Regardless, he’s so obviously out-of-touch on this thing that his comments didn’t make me mad, it just made me wonder what kind of world he thinks he’s living in.
Remember in Dark Knight Returns when Batman takes those criminal teenagers that made up the Mutants gang and trains them and shows them that they can stand up for something that’s better than crime? He shows them how to stand up to authority, how to take back their world that the establishment is actively destroying. What if Batman instead just said “Fuck you, kids. Go play Lord of Warcraft.”? It probably wouldn’t be considered one of the best comics of the 20th century.
Also, come on Miller, you know it’s called World of Warcraft. You’re not fooling anybody by saying Lords of Warcraft. And the bowel movement line. I’d expect that from somebody like, oh, us. We make jokes about boners on the reg, and even we think that’s a bit immature. Get it together.
-cof
November 16th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Goddamn brilliant as always, gentlemen.
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November 16th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
I guess I chalked it up to yet another dissapointing thing tha Miller did….All-Star Batman, The Spirit Film, I’m becoming convinced that this is not the same Frank Miller from my youth, he’s some twisted pod person or evil clone or something.
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SM Reply:
November 16th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
I feel that way too, and if I think about it hard enough, it makes me sad. You can probably chalk up the change to trauma from 9/11.
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Jason Reply:
November 16th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
I was about to say the same. He didn’t become like this until after 9/11. Could be sort of a “Pearl Harbor” effect, where he has it in his mind that the U.S. has to act like it did after the Japanese attack. Misguided, of course.
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November 16th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Absolutely perfect.
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November 16th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
God damn, I love that narration. I am a total freaking sucker for gritty narration.
And seriously, why Frank Miller? Why?
I’ve come to the conclusion that Frank Miller (and a few other to be named writers) needs a handler; someone to rein him in when he starts to say something wildly offensive or slips into writing about whores whores whores terrorist whores.
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November 17th, 2011 at 12:02 am
this was so good. so accurate. so right.
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PunchingReality Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 10:57 am
That’s why I love coming to this site
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November 17th, 2011 at 12:16 am
I agree with what was said above; Frank Miller hasn’t been the same since 9/11. It effected him profoundly. He was once a guy who CHAMPIONED the First Amendment, and now he’s bitching about protesters.
His (financial) success might also have something to do with it, although that’s clearly speculation on my part. But all of a sudden, he’s the guy behind 300 and Sin City. He’s a lot closer to being one of the 1% than most of the rest of us…so maybe his outlook is changed.
In any event, good comic.
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November 17th, 2011 at 12:19 am
Wow, this is my favorite comic of yours. The art is perfect and you really hammered in the idea of his style being how he really sees the world. I love this. You guys are amazing!
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November 17th, 2011 at 6:12 am
Oh miller, you have gone totally bonkers. Whatever happened? Ah well, it was fun while it lasted, you crazy bastard. Let us remember Daredevil, Year One, Ronin, Dark Knight Returns. Rather than Dark Knight Strikes Again, Holy Terror, The Spirit, and All-Star Batman and Robin.
Though that last one is pretty fucking funny.
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November 17th, 2011 at 6:33 am
My favorite thing about Frank Miller’s site is how the comment stream keeps inching further and further to the right until there’s one letter per row.
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November 17th, 2011 at 7:55 am
“Frank Miller’s commentary on the Occupy Wall Street movement isn’t even worth arguing with.”
The “not worth arguing with” meme is what pussies like you use when you’re incapable of offering a defense, either due to the strength of the original argument or your lack of brains to counter it. Based on this strip – and your hysterical whining after it – I’m guessing it’s the latter.
In any case, Frank Miller could give two shits about what you think. Your opinion is worth exactly dick when it’s borne of pseudo-hipster selective outrage at “The Man” (who ALSO could give two shits about you, BTW) and an apparent desire to ignore the rapes, assaults, crime and disease that the human filth that make up OTW bring with them. This is why HE’s worth a million bucks and YOU’ve got your gay little “donate” button.
The man hasn’t written anything in the last 10 years that’s HALF as good or just plain true as his screed about OWS – and sad hangers-on like you and your boyfriend. Halfwits like you spew NPR-inspired bile about “income inequality” while listening to the iPods your Moms bought you for Christmas — oh, sorry, “The Holidays”.
He’s not mean; you’re just wimps who hate having your buzz harshed by anyone who disagrees with your rose-tinted view of these Anarchist pukes in OWS.
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PunchingReality Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Yes, because using phrases like ‘gay’, ‘pussies’, ‘anarchist pukes’, & ‘human filth’ in YOUR argument means you clearly are one of the finest debaters and greatest orators of our time. We all bow to your insulting us, and promise we’ll be more manly and intelligent like you & Frank. Matter of fact, despite the fact that troops are supposed to be coming home from Afghanistan, I’m going to enlist now!
By the way, I’m being sarcastic. I doubt you noticed.
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Curt Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 11:57 am
PEEBOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgYEJHJXFB4
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Euge Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlnJTvoajjU
I’ll never hear this song the same.
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Curt Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
was it you i was talking to about how similar celine dion and meatloaf are?
Maxy Barnard Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
He “could” give two shits? Oh thank God, for a second I thought he might not.
Goodness that’s a sorry excuse for english right there.
Like, I’m aware there are other things you’re saying, and they might well be stupid too? But that? That right there? Shoddy.
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deebeemonster Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
I’m sorry Peebo. If Frank Miller is ever in my (internet) arms again, I’ll love him (cyber) much better
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chrishaley Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Neither of us have iPods.
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hayduke666 Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
ha ha ha….YOURS was the first reply to “crazy irate dude” that actually made me laugh out loud
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Locke Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Hahahaha, oh, that’s a good one. You’re lampooning the opposition to the movement by being incredibly insulting and using broad generalizations. Still, that’s not fair, Peebo. There are people who don’t support OWS who actually have legitimate reasons for it, and you misrepresent them by making fun of them like that.
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Curt Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Wait, Peebo was being sarcastic?! And you aren’t? So now we all need to argue with you? I’m so confused.
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chrishaley Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Dick pills, everybody! Amirite?!
Impulse725 Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Hey, you were actually right about something. It is the best think Miller’s written in 10 years. Of course, everything he’s written in the last 10 years is so worthless it’s below the tier of toilet paper, but you’re technically correct!
Saying something’s not worth arguing isn’t being scared. It’s dismissing something and spitting on it as not even deserving contempt. I’d think a gutless coward like you would know cowardice better, but I guess not.
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Joe Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Eat shit, Peebo.
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Bucko Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
smoke some weed peebs
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Ananth Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Hahahaha! This is adorable. But listen … who’s Frank Miller?
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chrishaley Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
+1
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Koltreg Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Mr Peebo, simply because Curt does not wish to argue with Frank Miller over Millers viewpoints, the silence does not mean that Miller is correct. The very laws of fallacies and debate hasten so and I would say that following the rules for a civilized debate would be best headed in the future as you seem prone to attacking the person you are arguing with more than actually debating the ideas.
With that said though, Miller has a majority of view points that are simply brought on from what is called the fallacy of a single cause where there are single incidents used to describe the whole of the group such as the alleged rapes, theft and other incidents.
Additionally you are appealing to authority when you comment that Frank Miller would not care about Curt’s opinion. While it may very well be true, your authority, in this case Miller, is not the one being debated and his past accomplishments, ie money is not what is being questioned in this case.
In this case, Curt is simply stating that due to Miller’s appeals to fear and ridicule, the very basis of the argument is unsound and not worth arguing.
You then process to generalize Curt with other accidents generalizing the Occupy movement once more with a limited number of incidents before once more attack Curt (instead of his point) and then pointing once more to Miller’s accomplishments which are not relevant. The ability to generate money does not suggest that one person has validity than another. If that were true, the opinions of richer people such as Bill Gates and several rich oil owning people, the people Miller tirades against, would be the absolute truth.
You then once again attempt to use achievements in your argument that are not relevant before attempting to disenfranchise your opponent and then attempting to tie them to other organizations that you do not agree with.
The biggest issue is that Miller is incredibly incorrect in his root argument. He disenfranchises the opponents with generalizations while using fear and doom as a tool without actually explaining his points or backing them up.
The truth in this case is Occupy Wall Street is a movement by the people to improve the country as they see it. They look at the facts that see the rise in pay for the rich corresponding with the downturn of the economy. They see that there is a greater unfairness in the economy where people are no longer able to succeed as they were formerly able to. The people who protest may include the “spoiled brats” but they also include soldiers who return traumatized by wars with no support, they are people who worked hard for 40 years to make what CEOs make in a year. They are people who are unable to succeed. There is an unbalance in the system of our country when the rich have more of a voice than the masses.
Frank Miller did some commendable work in the past based around the darkness that dwells in human hearts powered by greed, lust and a desire for power and control. In the work though, these people in control were the enemies. They made the world a worse place. Sin City was not a series about the poor destroying a utopia that the rich had made. It was about the common people forced to fight against the rich and corrupt. 300 was about fighting the all powerful empire for the rights of the people, it was not about stomping down those who speak up.
Vitriol and hate are powerful tools in uneasy times but hope and a desire for improvement are the more important tools, slower to wield but ultimately more powerful and helpful in the long run.
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Wade Reply:
November 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Just to address your seeming insinuation that everyone is just whining at “the man,” I want to point out what the actual issue is, via a quote from Bill Maher (whom I’m sure you love!):
“And that is the great Republican fallacy of this election, that our economic problems are due not to Wall Street’s gambling, but because too many Americans are lazy. But there are 16 million unemployed, and we only created 80,000 jobs last month. The problem isn’t laziness. It’s math.”
The rest of what you said is kind of crazy, so good luck with all your future endeavors!
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DynaMike Reply:
November 18th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Is this Frank Miller’s sock puppet account?
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November 17th, 2011 at 8:19 am
PEABO NOOOOOOO!
Go back to singing “A Whole New World” plz!
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Joseph Brian Scott Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 9:51 am
That made my morning, Mr. Headphones Man!
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November 17th, 2011 at 9:47 am
hey, no reason to go slinging slurs at the poor little donate button
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November 17th, 2011 at 11:07 am
#OccupySinCity
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November 17th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Great strip, guys. Well said and concise.
As I’ve been saying to all my friends who were former fans of his,
It looks like “Dennis” wasn’t the only “Miller” to lose his mind after 9-11…
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Euge Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Oh MW, and your POLITICAL RANTS!
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November 17th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
I think your donate button is cute.
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chrishaley Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Yeah, but if people use it they’re supporting gay apparently.
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Dayv Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
I’ve been meaning to donate, but I’m waiting until I’ve got some dude’s dick in my mouth. It just seems like the right way to go.
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Wade Reply:
November 18th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
How can I help?
November 17th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Absolutely brilliant. Probably my favorite strip since I subscribed…a month ago? Two? Anyway, spot on.
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November 17th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Why don’t they leave your Donate button out of this?
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chrishaley Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Don’t worry, no one ever bothers our donate button.
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November 17th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
I can’t help but wonder if he’s just spouting BS in order to court the 1%, maybe trying get the money guys to invest in his career again?
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November 17th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Come on guys, Miller is just really concerned about Batman. I mean, if ALL wealth is redistributed, where will Bruce get those wonderful toys?
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November 17th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Not having read Miller’s commentary (or having even known about it until reading this strip), at first I thought I was seeing a mashup of Sin City and The Hamburglar.
Really.
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November 17th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
(One “Occupier” to another, walking down a dark alley) “Slice and Dice, man, we got a quota…”
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Fletcher Wortmann Reply:
November 17th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
My man Barack don’t shiv.
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November 17th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Jesus, people. Everyone here needs to just sit back, relax, take a few deep breaths, and eat shit.
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November 17th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Great strip guys!
If you think Frank Miller’s blog is crazy you should see his secret love letters to Scott Adams.
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November 17th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Great work as always, gents. Much funnier and more insightful than it needed to be – you could have just put up some pitchers of grumpy old Frank and done some narration and I would have been happy, but you went the extra mile.
(And please, Frank. We’re hipsters, not hippies. Stop being so mainstream.)
(My take on the Miller mess here: http://fletchathustra.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/im-the-goddam-wortmann/ )
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November 18th, 2011 at 2:16 am
My only, single, solitary complaint would be that you gave him a stronger chin in panel two than his Jess-Custer-yelling-at-a-Klansman-esque profile deserves. Seriously, where the fuck is your chin??
(For reference: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lceorvOGNK1qzbvjpo1_500.jpg)
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chrishaley Reply:
November 18th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Damn, you’re right!
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Liamtime Reply:
November 18th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Don’t worry, I’ve come up with a defense against my own complaint: he’s drawn in typical Miller/Sin City, overdone, over-emphasized fashion! Surely he’d add to his own flawed features.
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November 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
It reminds me of the Dennis Miller effect. Take SNL Dennis Miller, cracking jokes and then the HBO Miller with his long rants after every show. Then an overnight shift into Fox News/Dejected Football announcer Miller. It was a bit shocking how he changed.
While I’m not as shocked by Frank Miller becoming a total douche, I am shocked about how he solidified it with his commentary.
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November 19th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
holy balls. you guys really stirred up some shit here! this peebo person is so angry. he seems hurt by how much you disagree with his wealthy idol that he needs to fight back with a words tornado. jab! jab! jab! pussies! jab! jab! ipods! jab! holidays! jab! (the tornado is holding a dagger)
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November 19th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Hey, don’t tend to comment on webcomics cause you guys are already swamped, but I just want to express gratitude. You guys represent the clearest and most insightful commentary on comic culture, period. Thanks so much.
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chrishaley Reply:
November 19th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Wow. Thanks a lot, man.
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November 19th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
“He lived in a world of his own creation.” Got it in one.
I have read and heard rather a large number of comments like his, each of which makes me wonder whether the speaker/writer is from some other planet, or has merely lost touch with reality. Their making statements which do not match reality, and their usually florid and accusative language, give me the impression they have no idea what is happening.
Cool strip!
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November 28th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Hurrah for LBFA I say. Verily let them smiteth the twits, twats and bell ends of the world.
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